Trusted Agents or Agencies?
Posted: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:55 PM

What should I be looking for in an agent to ensure that they are trustworthy? I've heard some horror stories and it's made me a bit wary of them all. Anyone have any good experiences with any agencies?

Posted: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 3:08 PM

Hi Sarah,

   Sorry this response is so late. I just now read it. I am no expert on the subject but I was just offered a contract for one of my stories and after checking them out, have found the TATE PUBLISHERS to be pretty good. You may want to investigate furter first. Have you joined the Writers.Net? If not I think you need to. It is a FREE site that can answer questions for you. GOOD LUCK!!! :):):) You may also consult AuthorStand.

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:47 PM

I was published with seventeen other ladies with Omega Publications. I love them and they truly work with you and for you.

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:49 PM

@ Melissa, :):):) Do they require a lot of money to publish you? That is my problem now.:( Thanks!! :) Do you know if they might work on consignment??

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:02 PM

I'm not for sure how much they charge for an indvidual....For us eighteen we paid over a thousand dollars plus but we divided the cost amongst us all, but they do everything, edit, publish, set you up on amazon, barnes and noble, their site with the nook and kindle...They are fairly reasonablly priced as publishers go..

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:23 PM

 Melissa... did their package include any actual, bound physical books or was it all electronic publishing?

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:45 PM

Michael, it included actual bound physical books, I have one.

The title is "Pieces of her mind" and the book is hilarious.

Here is what the cover looks like. Everyone should buy a copy of this book.

Product Details

 

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:16 PM

Michael

They provide:

Hardcover

Paperback

and electronic

As an author you can pre-order and you can choose to purchase books at a reduced rate. Choose one or the other or a combination. Of course for the hardcase it cost more. This is of course if you want to purchase from them directly for marketing purposes before they are released to the public.

If not what goes on Barnes and Noble, Amazon and Omega Publications is what I mentioned above hardcase, paperback and electronic. You actually make better money off electronic sales though as there is no printing cost involved when it comes to people purchasing your book from the locations Omega puts it on.

Jeff and Gayle Farmer are the publishers. Sweet people. We were fortunate, myself and another marketed, we had a graphic designer as one of the poets, so a lot of the work actually was done by us as far as extra Marketing and Suzanne did all the graphics outside and in the book.

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:18 PM

Jack you're a sweetheart. Thank you for the plug.

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:20 PM

One more thing, this isn't self publishing either, they are an actual publishing company.  So that means they can either choose to or not to publish your works.

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:27 PM

Melissa, THANK YOU so much for your help!! :):):) I REALLY appreciate it. I had had about 5 offers on my work but I just can't afford thousands of dollars to become published. That is why I would like to see who, if anyone works on consignment.:):)

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:50 PM

I know what you mean.  Financially it's hard for me to go forward with publishing because I keep finding ones who want all of it up front and charge way too much.  I would like to find a company who will publish my books and take their cut out of my royalties.  That would be nice.

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 5:17 PM

That is just what I am waiting for! :):):) But I just do not know of anyone who can or will do that today??? :(

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:08 PM

Ladies you're going to find most publishers/agents will not do payment by royalties. That is because it can take some time to acquire money spent, so they all usually want their money upfront or by time your works go to print.

I think that is why most self-publish, because of the expense. There is nothing wrong with self-publishing either, it just takes more effort to market and you have to do all the leg work. Amazon has a self-publishing product and I know there are many out there. It's more affordable to self-publish as well.

Does AuthorStand have publishers and agents? Perhaps you could check them out?

Missy

Posted: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:16 PM

Thank You Melissa, :):):) @ Joe??? Lol :) You are the expert on that! Right now I am just really broke. :( Things have really been HARD for both Curt and myself. We are living with my older brother right now.  We don't even have a car right now. Having to walk or take a bus.  But there is a BRIGHT side to that...We don't have to buy gas. Lol! :) I can still laugh!!! :):):):):):):):):) We'll be fine!

Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:48 PM

 I am so glad that I chose this site!!!  Dorrance Publications wanted me to pay $5000 for my short story Xavier Goes To Toyland.

Too high.  Way too high.  I am going to check out those agents.  I like Scholastics but you need an agent to get through to them. 

Posted: Friday, February 01, 2013 4:09 PM

Hi Adele, :):):) I know about Dorrance. They sent me an e-mail and I got a contract and letter in the mail. They wanted to publish my ARIZONA NIGHTS and I was so excited till I read the small print. You may mail us your personal check or a money order in the amount of $10,000 I almost chocked!!!! :( So that was the end of that. My question is WHY SO MUCH?? My step son said, they should pay me for publishing. I shouldn't have to pay them. But I know that is NOT the way it works!! :) Thank You so much for your kind review of my short story, THE ROTATING GARDEN I have been having a problem getting to my messages. I tried to message you but had no luck. That was one of my very first works and it is full of mistakes. But "THANK YOU" Again for being so kind. :):) I did a re-write of it but it has a few mistakes too.

Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:47 PM

Figure I'll start somewhere with this; and understand me, I'm LOOKING at these publishers or agents websites and the things the websites say, NOT presently dealing with them. I am trying to figure out why this system IS or isn't working for people trying to publish.

So, starting here, a FAQ for a romance distributor:

http://www.allromanceebooks.com/faq-2.html

What I noticed immediately, which made me wanna come over here and lay this down, was, the FAQ suggests the following:

 

"Q: How long does it typically take to review a publisher application?
A: We are normally able to approve applications within 3-10 days. Approval notices are sent via email. Once you receive notice, you can start to upload and sell content immediately. If for some reason we are unable to approve your application or additional information is needed, you will be notified by email. "
 
Understand what was said here. A person submits a book for approval to them; they probably take a day or so to READ it, and then you can upload and 'sell content immediately'.
 
Oh? How so? I could do that anywhere. I could DO that on youtube, without asking for anyone's 'approval'. All that website seemed to do was take the content, 'allow you to publish it/upload it' on that website...
 
No one is promoting it. It's just sitting there.
 
Let me repeat this: No one is promoting the content.
 
I also looked at the list of authors. There are about 80. I would not know the calibre of writer, without reading some of their work. I wasn't looking everywhere, but there seemed to be about half a dozen books that came out in January/February. I'd be curious to see the numbers on THOSE books that were 'published' --which I'm starting to think that, five minutes before, some author had his own story--under his own control--on his hard drive.
 
How many of these 'publishers' are out there?
 
And one reason I started this little journey is, I was on Amazon and ran into an author (virtually) who, in a recent blog post, suggested she was hanging up her writer skates. She's been 'working' at this for four years--to what degree I cannot be sure because I can only know what a person is doing by what they SAY they are doing--and presently, she's frustrated and giving up.
 
I wonder if she paid that distributor anything to have her books on that website. Amazon, depending on where you live, takes a percentage of your sale. Especially when it comes to ebooks, you could be doing this on your own, and, I dunno, see what effect promoting is having on what you do.
 
Feedback appreciated from anyone. I'm trying to figure this out. I'm not through yet. *grin*
 
Heather, looking at processes, not pointing fingers

 

Posted: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:58 PM

Oh my god. Pardon if I piss anyone off for saying this but.

No one should pay ANY money to be published. If you pay money, that's a vanity press. And they are getting PAID, essentially, whether you get paid back or not.

When Stephen King was poor and submitted "Carrie" to the publisher, they paid him an 'advance'. Dig? He got paid money before the book came out. Not the other way around. Even Stephen King would be up a creek right now, if you'd told him he needed even a thousand dollars to publish "Carrie". There'd have been no Stephen King, people.

You'd do better to PAY people to read your book. *grin* And that's not a bad idea.

 

----------"Not a bad idea, number one: PAY people to read your book."

Think of it THIS way: You just paid your distributor to be a printshop that prints you some books. A printshop doesn't market your work, does he, he just makes paper copies.

I noticed a comment about a small group going to some 'distributor.' Someone suggested they aren't a vanity press because they 'chose' you. They didn't have to. Maybe, I'm confused, but if you offer someone money to do something for you, generally, if they can, they'll take your money and do the physical task you ask.

By the way, I checked out that book on Amazon. The way it's set up, I never see any of the poetry. Testimonials and acknowledgements are great, but why would I buy a book I couldn't even see one page of poetry? I can do that in a store, but I'm online here, why isn't Amazon thinking of this? Something to think about. Perhaps the 'thank you's in an ebook or anything that ISN'T the copy shouldn't go at the front of the book. I don't know how they decide, in the "take a look inside" Amazon function, how many pages they show you, but if it was MY book, I'd want you reading the copy, not the how de doos. *grin* Again, just an idea. I'm thinking aloud here. I'm not pointing fingers.

It's like on the X-factor. You have TWO minutes to impress a judge. If that.

Back to promoting...and the use of bricks and mortar distributors/publishers

Promoting is not creating a hard cover book. _I_ could make books. Physical ones. Anyone can make books, you can learn how to do it, or do it with real good photocopies or computer printers and covers and thread or glue. Who knows, that might even make the book stand out more so..

------------"Not a bad idea, number two: Create an exceptionally nice handmade version of your book."

Have a book bee with your creative friends and do a book for every author in your group. Take them to your creative friends' crafts sales and pull out a pen and wave around the one author's book and ask if people want you to make them one. You've also just made business for your craft friend. Excellent thought.

Back to brix and mortz. Unless you can convince me someone is 'promoting' your book...well, I tell ya. Give ME a thousand dollars and I'll make books for ya too. *grin*

Come on people, I wanna hear some solid solutions here. And it starts with a well made story, of course. 

The fact we can now make NON paper books, takes the cost to nothing. Amazon will take your book--you have to 'create' it and this is nothing more than html pages in a format you upload--and make it available to the public.

But meantime, they are busy selling cameras and iphones and lord knows what all else. Someone show me what 'processes' a place like Amazon--or any of these 'website distributors' are doing for you, and I'll shut right up.

I was once in the printing industry. We don't NEED printshop anymore; we have print-on-demand shops. Someone asks you for a "physical" book, the print-on-demand printer prints it. One book. Ships it, maybe. You both make money. You don't waste any resources. You keep no inventory. Anyone who tries to convince you, a startup writer, that you need book inventory, is not thinking with the times. They're thinking with YOUR pocketbook. And that's not fair.

It's not fair. You end up frustrated and you quit writing.

I'm serious about figuring this out. And I remember some poor kid signing a seven year contract--Publishers America? or something like that, a vanity publisher in the real early days--she couldn't get out of it, and they take the money for the books she creates, for seven years.

All the creating she does for the next seven years, they get a piece of. So please, don't let me hear anything about anyone 'signing' contracts.

Tell me what you have tried. Tell me what has worked. Tell me what they TOLD you would happen and what actually happened.

But please...

Don't spend any money. This is about getting people to read your book. But you NEED to promote it in any number of ways.

Which I'm gonna find out.

Thanks.

Heather, amazed this is still happening.

wordwan

Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 8:04 AM

I can't re-enforce Heather's comments enough. If you pay someone to publish, because they've appealed to your vanity and said they like your book, it's vanity publishing.

I published my first book 'Homo intellectus' in paperback for $100 with Feedaread.com which gave me an ISBN code and availability in all book distribution networks world-wide. The paperback is produced as a 'print-on-demand' book  (as most are now).

My book cost nothing to publish as an e-book through Smashwords.com and is available in all formats and on all e-book sellers.

If someone wants a $1,000 to publish your book, how many do you have to sell to even break even? These are rip-off companies.

Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 11:02 PM

I was lucky to find a small traditional publisher for my first book of short stories, and also my second book which will be out yet this year. When my first novel is ready a year from now, I may self publish. It doesn't fall within my publisher's niche, and I don't know if I'll ask him to take a chance on it.

there are a lot of pitfalls in self-publishing, including some outfits that will take your money and not live up to their promises.

On the other hand, I know several writers who have self published and done very well. One used the professional services of a local "vanity press" to develop a beautiful children's book. In the first year he sold over 2,000 copies and spun off a stuffed animal and a coloring book.   Another writer built a successful career by self publishing several books that no traditional publisher would touch. Eventually he was picked up by a major publisher, now makes his steady income as a writer for a magazine, and because of his writing was hired to host a radio show that is broadcast on a number of public radio stations across the country.

A lot of us will never be published by traditional publishers, and some form of self publishing is the only way we can see our work in print.

I recommend THE INDIE AUTHOR REVOLUTION - AN INSIDER'S GUIDE TO SELF-PUBLISHING by Dara Beevas. I've heard Dara speak a couple of times, and she knows her stuff.  In 2013 Dara left her job with Beaver's Pond Press (a quality self-publisher, or "vanity press" if you will) and started Wise Ink with her friend Any Quayle.  Find them at www.wiseinkblog.com